So once again we heard Biden telling us that the nasty deplorables want to cut Social Security an Medicare.
This is a lie.
Oh, probably some deplorable has said we oughta reign in the cost, and maybe consider cutting off some of the SSI disability payments that so clearly are a fraud, but no, the deplorables aren't proposing to cut a damn penny out of Social Security or medicare.

What the despicables are doing is trying to scare old people. "Those icky deplorables are trying to take away your social security, but don't you worry, we're here and we got your back and we won't let them take a penny."

Sadly, some people will believe it.
But it's still a lie.

 

Why do treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans keep saying they want to cut Social Security and Medicare or privatize it or eliminate the programs all together?

I would post the many examples of them trying to do that for decades including their most recent attacks. But you would just pretend it didn't happen and keep pushing the same false right wing propaganda.

 

Mike Lee takes a different tactic after being called out over his Social Security hypocrisy

Sarah K. Burris
February 08, 2023



Sen. Mike Lee (Photo via Mandel Ngan for AFP)


Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) was ridiculed for his response during the State of the Union Address in which he appeared aghast at the implication that he supported cuts to Social Security and Medicare.




It quickly sent social media to mock the senator, citing Hamlets' "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

It led into Wednesday's cable news, showing videos of Mike Lee from a 2010 fundraiser in which he promised the audience "to phase out Social Security, to pull it up from the roots and get rid of it.”

In a statement on Wednesday afternoon, Lee crafted a statement claiming that his desire to kill Social Security is because Congress keeps taking money from the fund.

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"Congress has long used Social Security as a slush fund: Congress steals from it, raids it, and otherwise ruins it. Congress's long history of poor stewardship confirms the prescience of the Constitution," Lee said in the statement. "We should not trust the federal government with sweeping power over people's livelihoods. That's the point I made in 2010 while also acknowledging that we have to honor the commitments made to those who have paid into the system for decades and have relied on the associated benefits."

He also said that at no point has he tried to cut the programs while he was in the Senate. Those bills never came up for a vote, however.

Lee went on to say that no Republican has proposed cuts to Social Security and Medicare as part of the debt ceiling debate.

It isn't true either. In Oct. 2022, Bloomberg News reported that Rep. Buddy Carter (R-GA), who was up for the chairmanship of the House Budget Committee, was angling for the cuts.

“Our main focus has got to be on nondiscretionary — it’s got to be on entitlements,” Carter said.

Rep. Jodey Arrington (R-TX), who ultimately ended up being the chair of the House Budget Committee, explained, according to Bloomberg, “Republicans have a list of eligibility reforms, and we don’t like the tax increases." The "eligibility reforms" he's talking about is an increase for the retirement age for both programs. He called it "commonsense."



https://www.rawstory.com/mike-lee-social-security/

 

CNN host smacks down Republican's claim that no one wants to cut Social Security

Brad Reed
February 08, 2023



Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL) -- (Photo via AFP)


Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL) tried to claim that no Republicans wanted to cut Social Security during an appearance on CNN Wednesday, but he was quickly called out by host Kaitlan Collins.

While discussing President Joe Biden's State of the Union speech, Donalds accused Biden of creating a "fallacy" that the GOP had plans to cut Social Security and Medicare.

Collins, however, interjected and pointed to Republican plans to do just that.

"Rick Scott said that!" she said, referring to the Florida Republican senator's plan to have Social Security and Medicare sunset every five years unless Congress votes to keep funding them. "I read it on Rick Scott's website!"

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Donalds then pivoted to say that no Republican wanted to tie changes to Social Security and Medicare to any vote on increasing the debt ceiling.

Collins then showed Donalds a clip of Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) saying that both Social Security and Medicare should be reclassified as discretionary spending to make them easier to cut.

Donalds said that changes to Social Security and Medicare needed to be "studied" to ensure their solvency, but insisted that no Republican wanted to tie cuts to the programs to raising the debt ceiling.

Watch the video below or at this link.



https://www.rawstory.com/byron-donalds-cnn/

 

So it surfaces.
Rick Scott says congress should be reexamining not just Social Security, but all federal programs every 5 years and despicables twirl and spin that deplorables want to destroy social security.

Its that brand of illogical thinking that leads to bad law.

No matter. Social security isn't going anywhere.

 

I didn't know that Kaitlan Collins was an elected official with a staff of economic advisers and accountants that were reviewing the Federal budget and had received a copy of proposed spending cuts....Who knew????....

 

If it's a lie then why did donnie tRump himself tell the GOP not to cut Social Security and Medicare in their attempt to lower the debt.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...ot-touch-social-security-medicare-2023-01-20/
Republicans want to balance the federal budget within a decade, and some have said that changes to Social Security and Medicare should be considered. But House Republican leaders have called for preserving the popular programs.


And if that's not enough then i can easily find a lot more that mention the same republican policy of cutting aid to those who need it.

 

Social security and medicare are not "aid".
They are programs that each of us pay for while working and that the government then doles out to us when we retire.
They are not means tested.
Bill Gates And Warren Buffet can get Social Security and medicare.

 

I love them to eliminate SS and Medicare. The ratio of what I paid in to what I'll get out, it's heavily lopsided.

 

I totally agree with you on that!!
I'm currently in the process of applying for Medicare because if I don't before I turn 65, the Govt assesses a penalty if I don't....

 

Wonder if stumbler knows that in 1983 the despicable majority passed a veto proof bill Social Security Amendments of 1983 (H.R. 1900, Public Law 98-21)
That gradually raised the retirement aged over the next 22 years. Reagan signed it, but despicables passed it.

So, bloviation is one thing but actions speak louder, eh?

 

I like stumbler because of his "Let's cut the crap" attitude.

I like shootersa because of his good natured personality.

 

First, you would be wrong to think that the "mega rich" don't file for Social Security. Shooter would bet that just about everyone files for Social Security.
That's the deal the government put on us in 1935.

And you are quite wrong about Medicare.
At 65 one does not have much choice, regardless of their economic situation; they pretty much have to file for Medicare.
No more private insurance for old farts.
Well, with some unusual exceptions, like they're still working and getting benefits through work, or their spouse is, but they still need to file for what's called "Part A", which covers hospitalization costs.

Rather than Shooter explain it to you, why don't you read up on it from the source?

What Medicare covers | Medicare

Now then, just to make it more confusing, one can either get what's called "Medicare Advantage" which covers more, is pretty much free, but has some "gotcha's" about it, or one can get a Medicare supplemental plan through an insurance company.

The bottom line is this; Medicare tends to be a bit cheaper than conventional insurance, has lower deductibles, and is pretty much good anywhere one goes in the US.

Most people do get a supplemental plan, for example Shooter's plan covers everything that Medicare doesn't cover, and it's about 30% cheaper than the insurance he had when he retired. You can also get a plan that just covers catastrophic costs, or has a deductible, and so forth. There are like a dozen plan types and they're offered by thousands of insurance companies.

And Shooter paid into Medicare from it's inception in 1965, so he's paid already for his medical care. Or at least part of it anyway.

Now in 2019 Shooter had cardiac surgery that, according to the hospital, was worth almost $500,000.
The hospital actually got about half that from Medicare.
Think of the $500K figure as "full retail" and what the hospital actually got as "wholesale".
What the whole thing cost Shooter was $18, and that was only because he didn't feel like arguing with anyone about it.
They saved his life, you see.

So no, Medicare is not for those who can't afford "our excessively expensive health insurance costs"

As an aside, if Shooter had still been on the insurance offered through his employer his cost of that surgery would have been about $45,000.
You see?

Social Security is an unusual contract between the government and the people.
We and our employer pay 12.8% of wages into the fund.
And when we retire we get some/most/all/a lot more of that back.
The problem is, the government decides when we get it, how much we get, and even if we get it.

And, we get a lot less than we would if that same money was put into a standard retirement plan.
Plus, when we die, the social security money is gone.
If it was in our own private account, it would be part of our estate and we could do what we wanted with it.

So Social Security is an important part of retirement planning, but as usual, when government is involved it's more expensive, lower valued and one way or the other fucked up.

 

So what has more legs:

Republicans want to cut Medicare and Social Security
Democrats want to take your guns

 

I guess stumbles just doesn't stumble that way. I wouldn't worry doggo, stumbles doesn't even like himself, so it's impossible for him to like you.

- conroe4

stumbler and CS natureboy are the two copy and paste champions on XNXX. I usually agree with stumbler's copy and paste jobs, so I often upvote them. Nevertheless, I would like to see if he is able to fill a computer screen or more with an essay he composed himself, the way the Master of Facts can.

 

stumbler used to be on my Friends' List.

He left in a huff for reasons I do not quite remember.

Perhaps we were arguing over the lovely deidre79, who is gone but not forgotten.

It may have had something to do with my justifiable pride in being the best racist on XNXX.

or perhaps, my unconditional support for Israel.

 

Beginning with Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign Republicans have promised to cut taxes (especially for the rich, although they do not say so) raise military spending, and balance the budget.

The Republican Party gets most of its votes from whites without college degrees (i.e. working class whites) and retired whites who were blue collar workers when they were young enough to work. Most whites with college degrees vote Democrat. If they have graduate degrees, they are even more likely to vote Democrat.

Working class whites rarely have retirement programs at work. They rarely make enough money to save for retirement.

The great majority of people who vote Republican are whites who either depend on Social Security and Medicare, or they will depend on both when they are too old to work. Most of them know it. They vote Republican because of GOP stands on crime, race, and immigration.

The only way the Republican Donor Class (that dominates the GOP) can do what it really wants to do, which is to cut taxes for rich folks, raise military spending and balance the budget is by making deep cuts in Social Security and Medicare, or eliminating both programs entirely.

The Democrats have every good reason to point that out, and to keep pointing that out, until the Republican white working class base is aware of what is meant by every syllable.

 

@Distant Lover Seriously, maybe going back to bed would be a better idea...I don't think anyone should be online recording their dreams while still asleep....