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  1. 69magpie

    69magpie Mischievous Magpie

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    But there's the problem.... The Palestinians won't be involved in the negotiations, they'll be given donnie's peace plan and be expected to follow it to the letter.

    Over the years Palestine have set down their points for a negotiation.

    All new Israeli settlements in the West Bank to stop......ignored then more settlements were built.

    Access to their fishing grounds off the coast of Gaza......a definite NO, and fishermen shot at if they tried to fill their nets.

    More humanitarian aid to be let into the Gaza Strip.....the Israeli response was to let food and vital goods to rot in the sun on the back of the delivery trucks.

    The list is endless and every one of them were ignored or refused.

    So come to the table to negotiate, why should they bother when they know what the answer will be.
     
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  2. CS natureboy

    CS natureboy Porn Star

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    The Palestinians will be involved in the negotiations when they decide to come to the table.

    One thing is for sure, no other country is interested in helping the Palestinians.

    They should come to the table and submit their arguments and demands and then be prepared for some give and take.

    Not all the issues need be settled on the first day.

    The Israeli's and Palestinians have a long road to travel before all disputes can even be discussed.

    But with every long journey, it all starts with the first step.
     
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  3. stumbler

    stumbler Porn Star

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    Trump didn't negotiate shit. Kushner went to Israel and Netanyahu dictated to him what he wanted.
     
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      And you know it is not the case because you were there? The meetings with the idiot of Israel and the boy jester were announced and there was no mention of Palestine involved, also because the leader of Palestine has already said that they were not involved in the plan.
       
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      @CS natureboy
      Stumbler knows it and I just found out from watching PBS Newshour that it's true.

      It is Kushner's plan and not donnie's.

      Netanyahu and Kushner sat down and worked out the plan......the Palestinians were not invited.


      Ooops, there goes donnie's Nobel Peace Prize.....he's really going to go apeshit if Jared wins it instead.... :D
       
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      LOLOLOLLL

      I don’t think anyone’s in any danger of winning any Nobels, but that’s pretty funny nonetheless.
       
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      @69magpie, So you think PBS was there and they were privy to the conversation?

      Because this is the only way they would know what was discussed in private.

      You're twisting and spinning like always birdbrain....:hilarious:
       
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      Jesus fucking Christ you rightwing parrot even the leader of Palestine Mahmoud Abbas has made it clear that the leadership of Palestine nor their representatives were involved, invited to participate, or even consulted as to the conditions. What part of that does that single shared brain cell that is left living in the whole of the collective does not understand that basic information. Giving that the last time Worm Boy tRump-in-law Kushner even talked to Palestine was 2017 I would say this one is a fucking slam dunk.
       
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  4. shootersa

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    Oh, hold on there, O trump haters!

    The Palestinians were invited to participate and declined.

    Now, before you retort "how do you know that??!?!?!"

    Think about it.
    From trumps view, asking Palestein to participate leads to a few possible responses
    1) they ignore him or tell him to fuck off.
    2) they participate but refuse all offers and make their own unreasonable offers.
    3) They participate and progress is made towards a solution.

    So, with options 1 and 2 Palestine comes across as spoiled, petulant children who are not interested in peace, but only in the destruction of Israel.

    With option 3 we have progress towards peace.

    With any outcome, Trump is the peace maker and gets points.

    Not from Trump haters, trump haters will bitch and spew all things Trump forever.
     
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    This is the best, most accurate, informative, fair, and objective assessment of the international reaction to Trump's Middle East Peace Plan you will find by a news organization that rivals the BBC. I won't even highlight it. If you want to know what is really going on you should read the whole thing.

    World leaders react to Trump's Middle East plan
    US president unveils long-awaited proposal that is instantly rejected by Palestinians and sparks calls for protests.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/world-reaction-trump-middle-east-plan-200128173439574.html
     
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  6. thinskin

    thinskin Porn Star Banned!

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    At the moment you advocate that the US should stop helping anybody!

    I wish you would make up your mind!

    Thinskin
     
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  7. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    When two nations want the same territory, there can be no mutually acceptable compromise. There can only be conflict until one of the two nations has all the territory. I think the Palestinians should have been deported immediately after the Six Day War. Few people in the United States would have protested. We were too busy celebrating the Israeli victory. :D

    Because that did not happen, I hope this continues to happen. I want the Palestinians to be pressured to leave, so that the land can be settled with Jews:

    Israel.jpg

    I would allow the Christian Palestinians to remain.
     
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  8. shootersa

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    The bottom line is, the Palestinians say their first and nonnegotiable demand is the destruction of Israel.

    That won't happen.

    A very smart legislator once told Shooter that the best deal is the one in which both sides feel they got screwed.
     
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  9. slutwolf

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    So , ,
    netting yahoo is up for corruption
    and
    the cunt grabber is up for #@&+ ,
    so they got together
    to sort out a diversion
    er
    I mean solution
    for the Palestinians ,
    In Palestine.
    Great.
    no truly that's great
    EXCEPT
    somehow
    They "FORGOT" to invite the Palestinians.

    Now I realise a certain n cunt grabber has not grasped any concept of the 21st century ,
    and
    can't accept he actually dosen't have the powers of the Russian thug and lil fat Kim combined ,
    but you'd think he might have worked out that the Palestinians are not 19th century boarding school boys , where he's headmaster.

    Like he might perhaps grasp ,
    that after 70 odd years ,
    the naughty little palestinians are not going to just cow down and do what an ugly old foreign cunt grabber tells them.

    The middle East us not Hollywood.
    He ain't "the producer".
     
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      Trump.did.invite.the. Palestinians.they.declined.
       
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  10. Distant Lover

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    The Times of Israel, 28 January 2020

    Palestinian terror groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad quickly rejected US President Donald Trump’s peace plan after it was unveiled Tuesday, saying “all options” were open to respond to it. Many Palestinians protested in the West Bank, as the US embassy issued a travel advisory warning of potential terror attacks...

    The Palestinian Authority has already rejected the proposal.

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    So much for that idea. I think it is time for another weapons shipment to Israel.



    The Palestinians are fools. They are a vanquished people of no consequence. They think of themselves as conquerors in a position to dictate terms of unconditional surrender to Israel. If they had any sense they would find ways to make themselves useful to the Children of Israel.
     
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      In spite of my above criticism ,
      which is basically two potentially criminal leaders have made a pronouncement , that is essentually bullshit ,
      I basically agree with this.

      I am on record many times over the years , saying the Palestinians are their own worst enemy.
      They have been beaten repeatedly , and
      had repeated chances to work with , cooperate and benefit from Israel.

      They could be a useful and equally successful part of the Middle East as Israel ,
      but they choose to continually bang their heads against brick walls ,
      and stamp thier feet and whine.

      1967 was a pretty conclusive result .
      Just imagine how things could be by now , if Palestinians had accepted that the reality is Isreal is not going anywhere ,
      and cooperation might be worth a try for a few decades.
       
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  11. CS natureboy

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    I never advocated any such thing. Perhaps you are losing your mind...
     
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  12. ace's n 8's

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    Leftists?...aint that a shocker...
     
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  13. Distant Lover

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    “When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
    ― Golda Meir, A Land of Our Own: An Oral Autobiography

    "The Arabs are funny people. They lose wars and expect to benefit from it."
    - Golda Meir
     
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  14. Distant Lover

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    THE CHARTER OF THE HAMAS(1)

    "Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it...

    the Islamic Resistance Movement erupted in order to play its role in the path of its Lord. In so doing, it joined its hands with those of all Jihad(7) fighters for the purpose of liberating Palestine...

    our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave...

    The time(16) will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: 0 Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!...

    The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection...

    [Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion...

    There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time(27)...

    The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men. [Apparently that is all Hamas thinks they are good for]...

    Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims...

    https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm


    The Charter of the Hamas is about as ridiculous as Hitler demanding unconditional surrender from the Allies after Germany lost the Battle of the Bulge. There can be no compromise solution with the Palestinians. The only language they understand is the language of violence.
     
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  17. stumbler

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    The reason you are a total fraud @shootersa is because about all you do is lie. And just really stupid easily provable lies. In deliberate attempts to misinform people.

    Arab League foreign ministers reject Trump peace
    plan


    https://www.axios.com/arab-league-f...lan-612f8cde-c8cc-4955-8504-7b6e6142c103.html

    And god damn it @shootersa some of your fucking lies are just terrible and fucking dangerous. You spread that lie and falsely accuse the Palestinians of something they have actually already done. And your lie is so bigoted and blatant it cannot stand because that's the sort of thing that gets peope killed and blames the Palestinians of something they are not guilty of.


    Featured snippet from the web
    In 2011, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said in a speech to the Dutch parliament in the Hague that the Palestinian people recognize Israel's right to exist and they hope the Israeli government will respond by "recognizing the Palestinian state on the borders of the land occupied in 1967."
    en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Right_to_exist

    Israel's right to exist - Wikipedia
     
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  18. shootersa

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    Recognize Israel's right to exist?
    Now that is less than accurate. As it turns out the Hamas coveneant calls for the destruction of Israel. You think a speech aimed at getting Palestine recognized in the UN changes that?
    Hint; it does not.
    https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

    'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
    obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

    The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area:
    'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]
    consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one
    can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.'
    (Article 11)
    'Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the
    Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem
    wherever he may be.' (Article 13)
    The Call to Jihad:
    'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the
    individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation,
    it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15)

    So, rear admiral butt nugget, you lying hypocrite, have you appologized to President Trump yet for your lie about him calling service members "Pussies?"
     
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